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Seas 发表于 2012-5-3 11:18


China using Pakistan to slow India’ growth: former US envoy
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#a&t%_(P0rk,k-q   Dr Ghalib///khudi  [USA]
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  You should know which side of your (India's) bread is buttered. It is not China, but the US that is horrified of India's economic progress and wants to erect barriers to save its own hegemony in developed world. It would be remembered that, the former US President, G.W Bush during his visit to India had stated in his speech at Purana Qila of New Delhi on March 03, 2006 that:--- India should be seen as a "land of opportunity" and Americans should not respond to its exploding economy by erecting economic barriers. Then, he also stated: "The United States should see India as a land of opportunity instead of a threat." Is it not enough to understand the real message? The US administration cannot ignore Indian economic frolics for long to become a danger to its own world economic dominance and if things get out of control, they always have a simple solution.All they have to do is, just instigate Pakistan with another doze of usual false promises on Kashmir and start border friction. The economic bubble will explode, driving Indian economy down into bunkers, for their relief. What Robert Blackwill has stated is just a repetition of the usual US trick by planting seeds to grow its own success without dirtying hands. Similar measures gave it victory in cold-war against the erstwhile USSR through Afghans. India knows it well Pakistan will benefit much more from Indian success than any indirect Chinese assistance。.kc o$CoS L

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  Now Pakistanis must realise that they are being used by Chinese as well for their benefits. Poor pakistan, they are used by everyone because of the poor quality of their leadership。
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3M Q-P~`CLW6[   "The sum of the two sides of a triangle are greater than the third" is a mathematical truth. Since its inception, Pakistan has forged strong, lasting and progressive political and economical bonds with China. Every govt - civil or military - have worked hard to maintain the excellent geostrategic relations with China with identical perceptions on major issues. To allude extraneous factors impinging upon India's growth in its economic stature is a theory that necessitates material substantiation. The Kashmir problem is not a China craft. The many languishing UN Resolutions on the subject reinforce the origin of the dispute existing between India and Pakistan that has unleashed terrible blood letting and insurrection, with India forced to spend billions in finances and stake thousands in armed forces to retain its stranglehold on Kashmir. The saner politicians on both sides of the divide drew close to resolution, but for the obstinate and the overt nationalists who wrested away their initiatives and stoked the inferno of death and destruction. With Kashmir dispute solved, both Pakistan and India could streamline their defence budgets and re-invigorate their thrust on uplifting the living standards of the millions of their population subsisting below the line of poverty in both countries. China's march of progress can be impeded by domestic or internal impediments and there are no signs that there could be domestic or internal opposition to brake the momentum or dynamism of its growth。&ya1A5}7B1a Ffrga

] X m7vM3a(b   数学定律:“在三角形中,任意两边和大于第三边”。中巴两国建立了稳定持久的政治经济关系。无论是巴政府,军队,还是平民都坚定信念巩固与中国的地缘政治关系。但是暗指利用外部因素打击印度经济增长的理论仍需证实。克什米尔问题不是中国用的奸计。印度被迫花费数十亿美元的财政和数以千计的武装力量在克什米尔地区,联合国关于克什米尔问题决议的效果日趋微弱,印巴关于克什米尔地区的纠纷加强,已经导致了大量伤亡和暴乱。两国头脑清醒的政客都趋向于决议解决问题,但是对于顽固不化,蓄意破坏的民族主义者,他们扭曲了原来的决心,陷入了死亡和毁灭的万劫不复中。假使克什米尔问题解决将能促使印巴双方精简国防开支,提高两国数百万生活在贫困线下人民的生活水平。中国进步的脚步可能会被中国国内的因素所阻碍,但到目前为止,中国所展现出的强劲发展势头没有表现出有被国内反对势力阻碍的信号。SM}Qkkn
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8Cr/q4jn7Tz   Yes i can imagine because its Americans who are not the only one uses Pakistan, but China too. Thank you for sharing your concern with us。
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  是,我能想象。。因为美国不是唯一利用巴基斯坦的国家,中国也是利用。谢谢你把你的关切跟我们分享。 [&dz;ydN,S:_
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"^B1n?+Uq;BY   m. akhtar [ashland 美国]
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^ w*l5`2TIC7a$G   Pakistan and China will remain friends forever. Our enemies are trying to break this relation, but they will be defeated, InshaAllah。
xvt1|L   中巴友谊天长地久,我们共同的敌人总是试图破坏这种关系,他们的阴谋是不会得逞的!
]"gMN!}   aaryan [London 英国]
m7mc/H B6]Y:N   I am glad that we are strategic partner of China. American can never be our friends this is the conviction of every pakistani. Besides, America is harbouring Indian and Israeli agents in Afghanistan to destablise pakistan by bombing mosques and shirines。
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  我很高兴我们是中国的战略伙伴。每一个巴基斯坦人都深信美国永远不会是他们的朋友。并且美国在阿富汗藏匿印度和以色列特工,试图通过炸毁巴基斯坦清真寺和神殿制造混乱。0tS` ~i
  lKRAM KHAN [Peshawar白沙瓦 巴基斯坦]
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  Mr Akhtar, with due respect, I disagree with you, US inspite of all irritants has been the engine in India's growth story with massive exports of high/low tech software, Pharmaceuticals, auto ancillaries and a host of other products. US has been attracting Indian business houses to set up shop there and expand there. No complaints regarding US desire to increase the job opportunities in US as well as investment opportunities. Whereas as reported it has been a Himalayan task to do business in China due to various reasons some being language barriers, cultural sensitivities, security sensitivities, Chinese govt involvement in the business policies etc. Ever since Indian economy opened up, it is the west that was consuming Indian products and not Chinese as much. Though Chinese economy has been expanding so fast for so long, it is based on exports rather than internal consumption and that is where is the mismatch with India's exports. I agree that US does not want India's export to hurt its employment scene etc. So the way out will be to find a via media and that will also be worked out to mutual benefits. By the way, why would Pakistan let itself be used up by the Superpowers to Pakistan's detriments. It should see what is beneficial for itself。
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  Akhtar先生,我很尊重你,但我实在是不能同意您的观点,美国已经成为印度经济增长的发动机,大宗进口印度高低技术软件,医药,汽车零部件等多种商品,吸引印度公司在美国建立或者扩建工厂。毫无疑问,美国也希望能趁此机会增加就业,投资机会。反之,如果印度人在中国做买卖,由于语言障碍,文化敏感,安全考虑,中国政府所采用的商业政策等会使得在中国的发展举步维艰。自从印度经济开放以来,西方国家开始更多地消费印度制造,减少消费中国制造。中国经济发展速度固然快速且长效,但其经济增长主要依靠出口而并非国内消费,这一点于印度则不同。我同意美国并不想因为印度出口美国商品量的增加而损害美国国内的就业形势等,所以需要寻找双赢道路。顺便说下,为什么巴基斯坦既然知道美国最终会损害其利益还要被美国利用呢?巴基斯坦应该看到什么是对本国最有利的。 L fu7S d$Hh

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2U f6e\FA(U6Q   In fact, its not hate mongering or anything like that. Being a smaller neighbor, Pakistan wishes India to be more fatherly figure than a big brother. India has not been good to her neighbors, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Bangla Desh or Maldives. All are weary of her saber rattling foreign policy. In fact, it is success of Pakistan that India is so obsessed with such a small neighbor like Pakistan. I totally agree we need to coexist and progress as a region. But to achieve that, India should give up its arrogance and talk as equal sovereign state, instead of acting like a super power, which unfortunately it is not...at least till now. The onus lies more on India to be true, honest and just than on Pakistan because India is a bigger and stronger country。
8P&a EP/b$_y   事实上,并没有煽动仇恨或者什么别的意思。作为一个小邻居,巴基斯坦希望印度能更像父亲而并非兄长。印度对它的邻国素来不怎么样,像尼泊尔,不丹,斯里兰卡,孟加拉,马尔代夫什么的。我非常同意印巴需要合作共存,共同进步的观点,但要达成这种共识,印度首先要放弃傲慢的态度,像一个真正的大国,但很遗憾,至少到目前为止印度还没这意识。。。印度作为一个领土广阔,国家相对强大的邻居,应该比巴基斯坦背负更多的责任。'A2D)[;E3lP
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  Nothing wrong in China using Pak to slow down indias growth. Pak is more than willing to act as a stooge and client state of China. Zardari is making his 11th trip to China in three years. Obviously, China is slowly taking over Pakistan. The weak must hang on to the coatails of the powerful. And China is indeed powerful, though all of east asia is very wary of them. S korea, Japan, thailand, indonnesia malaysia and singapore do business with China, but do not allow china to interfere in their foreign policy and no one thinks they are brotherly bhai bhai! Good luck to Pakistan。
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  lol someone is living in fantasy. i think mr. blackwill time to wake up。y2ST8IeC%f"gXi1S

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,p| {In7Y&xnOd'M   India's growth. I understand, its good to have a slow, sustainable and steady growth instead of speculative, state sponsored growth like China. Actually Pakistan should understand sitting on the wrong side of fence is only harming its own longterm interest. India, Pakistan may be enemies, but that can change if Pakistan also sponsors growth in its own country and fights terrorism. Pakistan should understand - Nepal, Srilanka, Bhutan and Bangladesh are all on growth path its only Pakistan that is still in a denial mode of co-existance。
/B3C&Xi?   中国只能用不光明的手段暂时阻止印度的壮大,但最终无法阻止。持续,稳定的经济增长更有利于国家的发展,一味地利用投机,靠别人援助是不可取的。事实上,巴基斯坦应该明白屁股坐错了位置对国家长期利益百害而无一利。印度,巴基斯坦现阶段或许是敌人,但只要巴基斯坦乐意独立发展,打击恐怖主义,这一切都能改变。巴基斯坦应该明白-尼泊尔,斯里兰卡,不丹和孟加拉国都走上了正确的发展道路,只有巴基斯坦还走着“共存”的错误道路。u4n^?.L
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\,iw/e#K'`PC   Mr. Ambassador, what is wrong with it, if Pakistan is helping China impede India's growth. Isn't US using Afghanistan and India trying to destory Pakistan in the name of Al-Qaida? I would like to suggest to China to help Pakistan destroy India and US。Z _YLIK"s
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  srinivasan [India 印度]
z4M g r-G'j4JR   All countries have their strategic goals set-in and guided by their national priorities. Pakistan has also cast out its policy in accordance with geo-political realities and guarding its own interests. The situation of Pakistan and condition of ambient uncertainty is manifestation of lack of governance. It is therefore not surprising that one is easily enticed with anything and everything that goes on around the world. It is best not get influenced by what any one says. The country has its platefull and carries truckload of toxic baggage crises of all kinds, both self d and natural to deal with. Without getting emotional about China-India or US-India relationships Pakistan should focus on improving the lot of 175 million. Honest and good governance is more important. Is there time for unrelated issues? Pakistan has tremendous potential of estimated 104 million population below the age of 30 years. It has therefore immense opportunity and responsibility to train and educate its youth, improve moral and educational standards of the society. Rise above self and become God fearing Muslims. No one can use Pakistan that is strong and stable, for its ulterior motives. Both India with 1.18 and China 1.32 billion people have stable governments, are very large consumers. They are competitors for influence in Asia therefore that US woos them both. As such lesson for Pakistan is to get internal stability through honest and good governance。
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  SAI Muhammad [USA]
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q f:o.Mh]f   Why we can't learn to resolve our own problems. Best offense only possible with best defense. We have to be strong and united as a nation before we could face our enemies. Why we can't bring and listen to the problems of Taliban or Al Qaida without any deception and games and bring them into circle of confidence where they feel comfortable to offer and discuss their problems. leaders should talk to them for sake of peace and should also engage religious scholars to properly conduct religious matters and their correct interpretation and just application. I hope this would change their false ideology of declaring everybody as enemy from kids women and elderly same way. This should be top priority of any Government to do anything possible to bring peace and protection for people. We don't have to look at others to resolve our home problems and show other our weakness. I hope someone sometime will start taking bold steps with sincere heart。
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.];\DI%Io;X9@   为什么不能学着自己解决问题呢。防守才是最好的进攻。面对敌人之前我们必须要成为一个团结有力的国家。为什么不能认真地听取下塔利班或者艾尔卡达(基地组织) 的意见,看怎样才能让他们畅所欲言,与我们讨论我们之间存在的问题。国家领导人也应该为和平与他们谈判,利用专门宗教人士合理地解决存在宗教问题,对他们正确的诉求给予支持。我希望这种方式能改变他们错误的思想意识,甚至认为妇女,儿童,老年人都是他们的敌人。任何一个政府首先考虑的应该是竭尽所能为它的人民带来和平与安全感。我们不需要依靠其他国家帮助解决问题,向他们展示弱点。我希望将来某人能用真诚的心采取果断措施与他们一起解决问题。

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