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天天 发表于 2018-7-19 18:10


A man in Seoul once told me "Chinese, Korean, Japanese, we're all Mongolian!". Is he right?0L7H0^v z:]

Z@%] JgYN 在首尔,一个男人对我说:“中国人,韩国人,日本人,我们都是蒙古人!”。他说得对吗?
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1.Evar Dion, Life Long Student of World History
.E_8t!wT#M He probably confused Mongolian with Mongoloid.
~ CO%a"?zh Mongoloid is an archaic racial classification for all people of North Asian Decent.*iU;Ndhs
It doesn't mean that every person descended from Mongolia.|6c/E-l4`
NB: Racial theory has been largely debunked with the advent of genetic analysis proving that most modern humans are of mixed origin.
:M:L+_MN;|#C s From what we now understand about human migration it is likely that most East Asians originally came from Central Asia via a northern and southern route.
_7_)IC^ j4~9t9]Z Most people in Japan, Korea and China are a mixture of both of those main migrations as well as earlier migrations (Known as indigenous Asians or Austronesians).u+}#Wf4d
This is supported by genetic analysis
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8e:L7ey;[riS 他可能把蒙古人和蒙古人种混为一谈。*Uu"Y(Tj1b*f
蒙古人种是一种种族划分,指所有北亚人的后裔。这并不意味着每个人都是蒙古人的后裔。 U0@S r3|
rJ)@9iD 根据我们现在对人类移徙的了解,很可能大多数东亚人是通过南北路线从中亚来的。$D9V0_4y(T3R+G+q
G+j4M,T| d\/m 这是由遗传分析理论支持的。
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Z2O d pueV No, he is confusing “Mongoloid” with “Mongolian”. It’s far more than just Mongolia.
J|'h3lb Yn-\&e All that yellow is Mongoloid - it even includes FinlandAh+} W7~4c_
Mongoloid is a term used for peoples who are thought to have migrated from North Asia and Siberia. Mongoloids often share certain associated phenotypic traits, such as epicanthic folds (epicanthus), sinodonty and neoteny. The term is a historical term that referred to a grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon, but is now disputed as being too broad and unspecific. Japan and Korea do belong in the Mongoloid taxon, Chinese have their own taxon called “Chinese”, but China actually has more than just “Chinese”. China is Mongoloid in the north, but “Chinese” and “Indo-Chinese” in the South. But honestly, the racial integration over thousands of years means that these racial classifications are of little use beyond cocktail conversation.
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H^}@$u/Jki(Y 2.丹·金,我知道历史【译者注:海外韩裔,得到了7个赞】zkvz7o"Vqj#Y }
"o+c^ DHm 上图所有黄色覆盖的区域都是蒙古人种--甚至包括芬兰。[G9A&h\K;S

`H/pO&`*HD 3.Anand Nyamdavaa, i am mongol
j,_-hv%nw I think i have heard that Mongols and Koreans are related from every Korean I have met,
H\-[omw:U I have heard once or twice from Japanese similar things,
@5R+Cd {z I have never heard a Chinese say that we are somehow related….
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LP'E h2cc 3.额耐德 那雅木达瓦,我是蒙古人【译者注:这是一个知识渊博的外蒙古人,会说俄语,居住在东京,目前得到了最多的39个赞】
"J9hdZ-gT 我见过的每一个韩国人都说蒙古人和韩国人是亲戚;
6Q gD }/aYd1^ 我听日本人说同样的话有一两次;
"o1P ^"C%A 我从来没有听到任何中国人说中国人和蒙古人有什么联系。。。【译者注:我作为一个汉人的个人观点:我们现代中国人当中确实吸收了一些北亚、东北亚游牧渔猎部落和南方土著部落,但我们不认同他们是我们的祖先,我们来自黄河流域的古羌部落。。。】
p `e.@u)F3u+{Ii8w 4.Andrew Lee, Acupuncture and Eastern Medicine
0y2a]&`!I+k2B ~,nkt The ABCC11 genetic dysfunction was traced to modern day Mongolia 40,000 years ago to a single group of people. This is considered to be the start of the north Asian ethnic cradle. Counties which historically had less contact with non Asians have a higher % of the ABCC11 dysfunction, Korea 100%, north China 97%, Japan 88% south China 86%.+@ F2C \9{
These kinds of numbers are pretty definitive about all of the north Asians having the same ancestors, New genetic research in China showed that the genetic diversity exponentially increases the further they moved south. Meaning those up in the north were much more homogenous and similar to others in region, Mongols, Manchu, Korean. This is because the other asian ethnic cradle was in Taiwan, Pacific islanders expanded to south China, south east Asia and Pacific islands, they also island hopped to southern Japan. Korea, north China, Manchuria, Mongolia was not reached by these people.'QA6[{1s \O4F^+O
Eskimos and native Americans also come from the same group. However most naive Americans have become mixed due to their tough history and thus don't look asian sometimes, however if you look at those in north Canada or Alaska where there was less western activity, they look exactly like north Asians.0gC h*F"NM&J
4.安德鲁·李(Andrew Lee),针灸与东方医学【译者注:美籍韩裔】
h}Vs1R%p_0I$rQX ABCC 11基因功能障碍可追溯到40000多年前的蒙古的一群人。这被认为是北亚民族摇篮的开始。与非亚洲人接触越少,ABCC 11功能障碍的比例越高,韩国100%,华北97%,日本88%,华南86%。3K0C+OPM6h*c
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5.Gem Gerel, Pre-master from Radboud University Nijmegen
$uWWm1YY1` T No, we are genetically different. Mongols, Siberians, Kazakhs share same DNA haplogroup which is c3, while koreans japans and chinese share same haplogroup 03.
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%N6b$sf-B/_\fj 不,我们在基因上是不同的。蒙古人、西伯利亚人、哈萨克人的DNA群为c3,而韩国人、日本人和中国人的DNA群为03。
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