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天天 发表于 2018-7-19 18:10

中国人,韩国人,日本人,我们都是蒙古人!”。他说得对吗?

A man in Seoul once told me "Chinese, Korean, Japanese, we're all Mongolian!". Is he right?0L7H0^v z:]

Z@%] JgYN 在首尔,一个男人对我说:“中国人,韩国人,日本人,我们都是蒙古人!”。他说得对吗?
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1.Evar Dion, Life Long Student of World History
.E_8t!wT#M He probably confused Mongolian with Mongoloid.
~ CO%a"?zh Mongoloid is an archaic racial classification for all people of North Asian Decent.*iU;Ndhs
It doesn't mean that every person descended from Mongolia.|6c/E-l4`
NB: Racial theory has been largely debunked with the advent of genetic analysis proving that most modern humans are of mixed origin.
:M:L+_MN;|#C s From what we now understand about human migration it is likely that most East Asians originally came from Central Asia via a northern and southern route.
_7_)IC^ j4~9t9]Z Most people in Japan, Korea and China are a mixture of both of those main migrations as well as earlier migrations (Known as indigenous Asians or Austronesians).u+}#Wf4d
This is supported by genetic analysis
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1.埃瓦尔迪恩,世界历史终身学习者
8e:L7ey;[riS 他可能把蒙古人和蒙古人种混为一谈。*Uu"Y(Tj1b*f
蒙古人种是一种种族划分,指所有北亚人的后裔。这并不意味着每个人都是蒙古人的后裔。 U0@S r3|
注意:种族理论在很大程度上是伴随着遗传分析出现的,证明大多数现代人都是混合起源的。
rJ)@9iD 根据我们现在对人类移徙的了解,很可能大多数东亚人是通过南北路线从中亚来的。$D9V0_4y(T3R+G+q
在日本、韩国和中国,大多数人都是这两种主要移民的混合体,同时也是早期移民(被称为亚洲土著人或澳大利亚人)的混合体。
G+j4M,T| d\/m 这是由遗传分析理论支持的。
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y&f1S#n$HN)nm R 2.Dan Kim, I know history
Z2O d pueV No, he is confusing “Mongoloid” with “Mongolian”. It’s far more than just Mongolia.
J|'h3lb Yn-\&e All that yellow is Mongoloid - it even includes FinlandAh+} W7~4c_
Mongoloid is a term used for peoples who are thought to have migrated from North Asia and Siberia. Mongoloids often share certain associated phenotypic traits, such as epicanthic folds (epicanthus), sinodonty and neoteny. The term is a historical term that referred to a grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon, but is now disputed as being too broad and unspecific. Japan and Korea do belong in the Mongoloid taxon, Chinese have their own taxon called “Chinese”, but China actually has more than just “Chinese”. China is Mongoloid in the north, but “Chinese” and “Indo-Chinese” in the South. But honestly, the racial integration over thousands of years means that these racial classifications are of little use beyond cocktail conversation.
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H^}@$u/Jki(Y 2.丹·金,我知道历史【译者注:海外韩裔,得到了7个赞】zkvz7o"Vqj#Y }
不,他混淆了“蒙古人”和“蒙古人种”。蒙古人种不仅仅是指蒙古人。
"o+c^ DHm 上图所有黄色覆盖的区域都是蒙古人种--甚至包括芬兰。[G9A&h\K;S
蒙古人种是一个术语,用来形容那些被认为是从北亚和西伯利亚移民过来的人。蒙古人种通常都有某些相关的表型特征,如眼睛表皮褶皱,铲形门齿和幼态延续。这是一个历史术语,指的是历史上被认为是生物分类群的一群人,但现在由于过于宽泛和不具体而引起争议。日本,朝鲜的确属于蒙古人种,中国有自己的所谓“中国人种”,但中国实际上拥有的不仅仅是“中国人种”。中国北方是蒙古人种,在南方是“中国人种”和“印度-支那人种”。但老实说,数千年来的种族融合意味着,除了鸡尾酒式的谈话之外,这些种族分类几乎没有什么用处。[\*l9Rn

`H/pO&`*HD 3.Anand Nyamdavaa, i am mongol
j,_-hv%nw I think i have heard that Mongols and Koreans are related from every Korean I have met,
H\-[omw:U I have heard once or twice from Japanese similar things,
@5R+Cd {z I have never heard a Chinese say that we are somehow related….
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LP'E h2cc 3.额耐德 那雅木达瓦,我是蒙古人【译者注:这是一个知识渊博的外蒙古人,会说俄语,居住在东京,目前得到了最多的39个赞】
"J9hdZ-gT 我见过的每一个韩国人都说蒙古人和韩国人是亲戚;
6Q gD }/aYd1^ 我听日本人说同样的话有一两次;
"o1P ^"C%A 我从来没有听到任何中国人说中国人和蒙古人有什么联系。。。【译者注:我作为一个汉人的个人观点:我们现代中国人当中确实吸收了一些北亚、东北亚游牧渔猎部落和南方土著部落,但我们不认同他们是我们的祖先,我们来自黄河流域的古羌部落。。。】
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p `e.@u)F3u+{Ii8w 4.Andrew Lee, Acupuncture and Eastern Medicine
0y2a]&`!I+k2B ~,nkt The ABCC11 genetic dysfunction was traced to modern day Mongolia 40,000 years ago to a single group of people. This is considered to be the start of the north Asian ethnic cradle. Counties which historically had less contact with non Asians have a higher % of the ABCC11 dysfunction, Korea 100%, north China 97%, Japan 88% south China 86%.+@ F2C \9{
These kinds of numbers are pretty definitive about all of the north Asians having the same ancestors, New genetic research in China showed that the genetic diversity exponentially increases the further they moved south. Meaning those up in the north were much more homogenous and similar to others in region, Mongols, Manchu, Korean. This is because the other asian ethnic cradle was in Taiwan, Pacific islanders expanded to south China, south east Asia and Pacific islands, they also island hopped to southern Japan. Korea, north China, Manchuria, Mongolia was not reached by these people.'QA6[{1s \O4F^+O
Eskimos and native Americans also come from the same group. However most naive Americans have become mixed due to their tough history and thus don't look asian sometimes, however if you look at those in north Canada or Alaska where there was less western activity, they look exactly like north Asians.0gC h*F"NM&J
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4.安德鲁·李(Andrew Lee),针灸与东方医学【译者注:美籍韩裔】
h}Vs1R%p_0I$rQX ABCC 11基因功能障碍可追溯到40000多年前的蒙古的一群人。这被认为是北亚民族摇篮的开始。与非亚洲人接触越少,ABCC 11功能障碍的比例越高,韩国100%,华北97%,日本88%,华南86%。3K0C+OPM6h*c
这些数字对于所有祖先相同的北亚人来说是非常明确的,中国的新基因研究表明,遗传多样性指数增加,他们向南移动。这意味着北部地区的人口更加同质,与其他地区的蒙古族、满族和朝鲜族更为相似。这是因为另一个亚洲民族的摇篮是在台湾,太平洋岛民扩展到中国南部、东南亚和太平洋岛屿,他们也跳到日本南部。这些人都没有到达朝鲜、华北、满洲、蒙古。`P^e*I&y*L
爱斯基摩人和美洲土著人也来自同一群体。然而,大多数土著美国人由于他们操蛋的历史而变成了混血,因此有时看起来不像亚洲人,如果你看看那些在加拿大北部或阿拉斯加生活的美洲土著,由于那里被西方人影响较少,他们看起来就像北亚人。-v;`l1YX
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5.Gem Gerel, Pre-master from Radboud University Nijmegen
$uWWm1YY1` T No, we are genetically different. Mongols, Siberians, Kazakhs share same DNA haplogroup which is c3, while koreans japans and chinese share same haplogroup 03.
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5.吉姆吉热尔,内梅亨大学硕士预科【译者注:外蒙古人,女生】
%N6b$sf-B/_\fj 不,我们在基因上是不同的。蒙古人、西伯利亚人、哈萨克人的DNA群为c3,而韩国人、日本人和中国人的DNA群为03。
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