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In China it generally seems an open and shut case but for the academics amongst you: China traces its roots back to a very small part of present day China.  Has the current administration correctly estimated the age?  (It could be older or younger).  Strictly speaking was this place 'China'?  How do the West and Middle East compare?  For example can the roots of the USA be traced back to Ancient Greece and Rome with its strong influence on language law arts and culture?  (Even the design of its political buildings and some cities).  Is somebody living in present day Tibet any more entitled to claim 5000 years of civilization than an Italian in present day Rome?  Was a civilization of a kind not required to administrate the building of thousands of stone circles across Britain and Europe?  Can continuity be claimed for China when geographies changed dynasties rise and fell and different people living in different parts of historical China may not have recognised the concept of one China?  An interesting topic for debate I hope.



中国把它的起源追溯到境内的很小一块的地方,目前官方公布5000年历史是否是正确? (你们可以说它更为古老或更年轻点)。





Judith Meyer Reading Chinese novels and visited China
upxed Sep 28 2014
Because the Chinese identify more with their early history than other places do. For example French students learn about "the Romans" not "the French nation in 50 BC". Already the naming shows that we consider them a people apart a people that gave us interesting ideas for sure but not a natural part of our own nation states. For China the history of "our people" really goes back thousands of years.


One of the unifying bands is the written Chinese language. It has changed less than European languages have. Plus the Chinese language is littered with phrases and expressions that were coined hundreds of years before Christ was born.


There is also more awareness. Every Chinese child can recite by heart and understand poems that are 1400 years old (try that with Shakespeare and he's much more recent).


The final reason is that Chinese politicians play it up as a matter of national pride. For example when China was recently criticized in the foreign news a Chinese leader said "Whilst monkeys cry incessantly from bank to bank I have already sailed past a myriad of mountains". This is not just a put-down of the foreign criticism and a declaration that China is already much more advanced it's also two lines from a Tang dynasty poem that every Chinese person knows (早发白帝城 "Early start from Baidi" by poet Li Bai) - a not-too-subtle hint that China had world class poetry while Europe was overrun by barbarians.
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Eric Ruck 30 years on the leading edge of tech without falling off the cliff
upxed Jan 3 2015
You might be confusing history with the past.  History is a written record of what happens in the past.  It's generally accepted that the best source is recorded by the people who were there but of course any artifacts or recordings of history have their own bias are often incomplete and very subject to interpretation.
Having a generally accepted account of the past is no small matter.  You don't have to go too far back in Dead White Guy (i.e. Western) history to see this.  Read "The Lodger Shakespeare". It's fascinating how so little history exists on the best known author humankind has ever produced and the heroic efforts it takes to recover it.
So sure here where I'm sitting in Maryland I'm sure something was going on 5000 years ago.  But I'm sure no one knows what.  Wildlife?  Native Americans?  Aliens?  There's no record.  But a lot of such records exist for China which is an impressive feat of and tribute to their civilization.


你也不必远行返回到西方历史中,读读“The Lodger Shakespeare”(译者注:莎士比亚的传记)这种记录过去的书就行了,精妙的历史上存在于人类最著名的作家的记录中,而且这些英雄作家为此付出了巨大努力,这是多么迷人的一件事。


Andy Lee Chaisiri a fan of the swords
Answered Apr 18 2014
Because Chinese identified more by history than by religion
Westerners traditionally identified themselves by their religious beliefs and traced back their lineage to the creation of the world. When medi Europeans talked about their identity they talked about 'Christendom'.
Chinese though have traditionally given little thought to creation stories and focus more on social happenings and historic events. Where Abrahemic religions will talk about the coming of messiahs to define their place in time Chinese will talk about a particular emperor who founded a particular dynasty.
In the 21st century though most westerners have moved away from identifying their nation with their religion. As more Westerners seek out a secular measure of their identity though you'll probably see more people talk about how "the Romans never really fell because..." measuring identity like Chinese do today.





If you won't eat mouse soaked in fish guts can you really call yourself a Roman?


A Chinese scholar once said: "What is patriotism but the love of a home cooked meal?"


I mean this half jokingly but another major part of Chinese identity is the food. If a Chinese reads a 2000 year old Han dynasty document about all the various animals and chitlins they eat it will still sound familiar enough to find in their local grocer. But if a westerner reads about Roman high cuisine like roasted field mice (so popular that an Emperor had to pass a consumption law in fear it was corrupting the people) dipped in a sauce made of fermented fish guts (garum) he is likely not going to find it available in his community. Heck he'd probably think it was "weird foreign Chinese food".





Joseph Boyle
Answered Aug 30 2015
Originally Answered: Why do the Chinese believe that they have a 5000 years history?
The other question covers reasons why Chinese say this. The plainest answer is that it's a common sentence in textbooks. If it's being used as an example sentence a character says in an English dialogue it's not even clear how strongly the author is endorsing it as currently accepted as factual. It may also be a round number; "10000 years" is usually a metaphor for a long time e.g. Japanese banzai.



The official Xia–Shang–Zhou Chronology Project project identified all four phases of Erlitou culture with the Xia dynasty dating its beginning at c. 2070 BC compared with the traditional date of 2205 BC.


Sima Qian considered Huangdi and his engineering projects to be more historical than the fantastical myths about the creation of the world and dated the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors to 2852 BC; this is certainly a well-known history in Chinese history whatever its relation to reality.


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