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除了孔子,谁是你最喜欢的中国古人?看老外的回答


except Confucious, who is your favorite ancient Chinese people
译者:神州飞龙     发布时间:2013-12-23     超过 0 位网友阅读

作为孙子兵法的一个粉丝,我一定要选孙子,但我对所有中国哲学家都有兴趣,尤其是道家。

原文链接:http://historum.com/asian-history/63672-except-confucious-who-your-favorite-ancient-chinese-people.html

Heylouis
From: China (中国 )

except Confucious, who is your favorite ancient Chinese people

every word is in the title.......

I like this guy very much
Yang_Zhu people seldomly mention him, but actually follow his way every day.
personally, I think his ideas are much better than Ayn Rand's
         
         
除了孔子,谁是你最喜欢的古代中国人

如题,我很喜欢孔子,人们不常提到他,但实际上按照他的方式过着每一天。

个人认为他的思想比安瀠德的更好。

(译注: Ayn Rand(艾茵瀠德,1905年2月2日-1982年3月6日)俄裔美国哲学家、小说家。她的哲学理论和小说开创了客观主义哲学运动,她同时也写下了《源头》(The Fountainhead)、《阿特拉斯耸耸肩》(Atlas Shrugged)等数本畅销的小说。她的哲学和小说里强调个人主义的概念、理性的利己主义(“理性的私利”)、以及彻底自由放任的资本主义。)



October 19th, 2013, 06:24 AM           #2
Haakbus
From: Somewhere Else
What time period?
           
哪个时间段?



October 19th, 2013, 08:39 AM           #3
BenSt
From: Canada (加拿大)
Empress Wu, what a woman.
   
武则天,多么伟大的女人。



October 19th, 2013, 10:08 AM           #4
DreamWeaver
From: Wales (威尔士 )
Mencius?

孟子?         



October 19th, 2013, 10:35 AM           #5
Jinit
From: USA (美国)
Zhuge_Liang

诸葛亮



        
October 19th, 2013, 11:30 AM           #6
Naomasa298
From: T'Republic of Yorkshire
Sun Tzu?

孙子?      



October 19th, 2013, 01:55 PM           #7
cachibatches
Lao Tzu.
         
老子。



October 19th, 2013, 02:32 PM           #8
Linschoten
From: Wessex (威塞克斯 )
Mencius! I find him easier to relate to than Confucius. And Li Bai.

孟子! 我觉得这个名字比孔子和李白更容易被我看到。



October 19th, 2013, 02:47 PM           #9
AlpinLuke
From: Lago Maggiore, Italy (意大利 )
Admiral Zheng He, who may be reached America before of Columbus ...

郑和,他可能在哥伦布之前就到达过美洲...



October 19th, 2013, 05:52 PM           #10
needstablity
From: South Korea (韩国 )
Mo Tzu who opened the scholary school of Mohism.

墨子,他创办了墨家学校。



unclefred
From: Oregon coastal mountains (俄勒冈州海岸山脉 )
Bruce Lee!
         
李小龙!



October 19th, 2013, 06:34 PM           #12
Apachewarlord
From: Hippy town U.S.A.!(美国)
I learned politics from Sun Tzu, sooooo, him.

孙子让我学会了政治,所以,挺他。  



October 20th, 2013, 06:09 AM           #13
Purakjelia

Wei Qing, Huo Qubing, Yue Fei, Meng Gong, Qi Jiguang
These are my favorite ancient Chinese generals
Wei and Huo defeated Xiongnu
Yue Fei was able to defeat the Jurchens, but too bad Yue died at the hands of his own emperor who feared that Yue had too many victories and too much power
Meng Gong was able to defend the Song Dynasty and he held the Mongols at bay for over a decade
Qi Jiguang defeated Wokou pirates in southern China and he also contributed to the construction of Ming Dynasty's Great Wall

卫青,霍去病,岳飞,孟珙,戚继光
这些都是我最喜欢的中国古代将军
卫霍打败了匈奴
岳飞本来能击败女真,但很可怜死在了自己的皇帝之手,因为他怕岳飞得到太多的胜利和势力。
孟珙保卫了宋朝,他把蒙古人挡在海湾超过十年。
戚继光在中国南方打败了倭寇海盗,他还促成了明代的长城建设。



October 20th, 2013, 06:15 AM           #14
Wenge
American (美国)
From: The True Capital of China
Quote:
Originally Posted by unclefred
Bruce Lee!
Bruce Lee wasn't ancient.

引用:
作者:unclefred
李小龙!

李小龙不是古代人哈。



October 20th, 2013, 07:46 AM           #15
kazeuma
Yes... but Bruce Lee's ancestor Lao Tsu is ancient. (Lao Tsu is often considered the ancestor of most the people with the Li surname.)
As for ancient - I would say Lao Tsu, Ge Hong, Judge Dee and Judge Bao, Empress Wu, and many many others.

哦是的... 但李小龙的祖先老子是古代人。 (老子经常被认为是大多数李姓人的始祖。)

至于古代人 - 我想说老子,葛洪,狄公与包公,武则天,还有其他许多人。



October 20th, 2013, 04:17 PM           #16
heylouis
From: China (中国)

oh, hi, thanks everyone.
late coming....
so a little statistics: (sorry purakjelia, didn't take yours, since you're obvious the only Chinese except me here)
all 8 people :Empress Wu, Mencius, Zhuge Liang, Sun Tzu, Lao Tzu, Li Bai, Zheng He, Mo Tzu

Man Woman
7 : 1
politician
2
general
1
philosopher
4
poet
1

woow, you guys know much things about China
pity in most of its time, ancient China looked down upon women, the ratio is bad....

哦,大家好,谢谢大家。
抱歉来晚了....

那么我做点统计:(不好意思purakjelia,没统计你的,因为你很明显是这里除了我之外唯一的中国人)
一共有8人 :武则天,孟子,诸葛亮,孙子,老子,李白,郑和,墨子

男人女人
7:1
政治家
2
一般
1
哲学家
4
诗人
1

喔~~ 你们知道中国的东西很多嘛!
可惜在大部分时间里,中国古代对妇女是有偏见的,这个比例真不咋的....



October 20th, 2013, 04:55 PM           #17
Fox
#1: Zhuangzi
#2: Han Shan
#3: Meng Mu

#1:庄子
#2:寒山
#3:孟母



October 20th, 2013, 04:56 PM           #18
heylouis
From: China (中国)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenSt
Empress Wu, what a woman.
quite recently, it was told that the grave of one of her favorite female officers -- Shangguan Waner was found. unfortunately, it was nearly empty, so pity...

引用:
作者:BenSt
“武则天,一个伟大的女人。”

最近,据说发现了她最喜欢的女官之一 - 上官婉儿的坟墓。 不幸的是,几乎是空的,所以很可惜......

Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
Mencius?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linschoten
Mencius! I find him easier to relate to than Confucius. And Li Bai.
yeah, certainly Mencius can got more attention because he wrotes more. he served the kings more successfully than Confucious.
Li Bai is unique, I think maybe just Cao Cao is as unique as him. he didn't stickle on small things, but cared more about the feelings of human, and express them naturaly.

引用:
原帖由Dreamweaver
“孟子?”

引用:
作者:Linschoten
“孟子! 我觉得这个名字比孔子和李白更容易被我看到。 ”

是啊,孟子肯定可以得到更多的关注,因为他写的较多。 他对国王的辅助比孔子更成功。

李白是独一无二的,我想也许只有曹操可以跟他比。 他不拘泥细节,更关心人类的情感,然后很自然地表达出来。

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlpinLuke
Admiral Zheng He, who may be reached America before of Columbus ...
oh, and he is Muslim. I'm really wondering can the western forget Muslim as "terrorist" one day.....

引用:
作者:AlpinLuke
“郑和,他可能在哥伦布之前就到达过美洲... ”

哦,而且他是穆斯林。 我真的不知道西方人能有忘掉穆斯林是“恐怖分子”的一天.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by needstablity
Mo Tzu who opened the scholary school of Mohism.
yeah, I like him too. I think the only fault of him is about how to view the ghost...Chinese actually do not believe any gods and believe, his starting point is we need to practice good to fit the gods and ghosts and ancient spirits, of cause that is doomed to fail....

引用:
作者:needstablity
“墨子,他创办了墨家学校。”

是的,我也喜欢他。 我觉得他唯一的缺点是关于如何看待鬼...中国是不信鬼神的,但他的主要观点是我们需要表现良好以示鬼神和先人,当然那是注定要失败的....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apachewarlord
I learned politics from Sun Tzu, sooooo, him.
that's also why his book sells so good, oh, lots of money

引用:
作者:Apachewarlord
“孙子让我学会了政治,所以,挺他。”

这也是为什么他的书卖得那么好,哦,很多钱哟


Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
#1: Zhuangzi
#2: Han Shan
#3: Meng Mu

oh, hi, I'm not familiar with the second person, is that the monk?
and totally no idea about the third one...
feel sad now.....
         
引用:
作者:Fox
“#1:庄子 #2:寒山 #3:孟母 ”

哦,你好,我不熟悉第二个人,是唐僧?
而且完全不知道第三个是谁...
真是太惭愧了.....



October 20th, 2013, 05:43 PM           #20
Fox
Quote:
Originally Posted by heylouis
oh, hi, I'm not familiar with the second person, is that the monk?
and totally no idea about the third one...
feel sad now.....
The second one is a poet hermit who wrote on Daoist and Buddhist themes. The third one is Mencius' mother, who is famous for her intuitive excellence in raising her son. I admire her more than her son, frankly, and even as an adult she's recorded as having to correct his behavior at times.

引用:
作者:heylouis
“哦,你好,我不熟悉第二个人,是唐僧? 而且完全不知道第三个是谁... ”

第二个是一个诗人隐士,他写了道教和佛教著作。 第三个是孟子的母亲,她因抚养了卓越的儿子而著名。 坦率地说,我佩服她胜于她的儿子,即使是成年之后,她的教导也常常及时纠正他的行为。



Thegn Ansgar
From: I'm a nomad (游客)
Quote:
Originally Posted by heylouis
(sorry purakjelia, didn't take yours, since you're obvious the only Chinese except me here)
*cough* No. *cough*
         
引用:
作者:heylouis
(不好意思purakjelia,没统计你的,因为你很明显是这里除了我之外唯一的中国人)

咳咳..        



October 29th, 2013, 04:42 AM           #22
Zhaozor
From: Netherlands (荷兰)
Han Xin, Sun Tzu and Yue Fei

韩信,孙武和岳飞



October 29th, 2013, 10:49 PM           #23
tornada
From: India (印度)
Sun Tzu, or Kublai Khan.

孙子,或忽必烈。



October 29th, 2013, 10:55 PM           #24
Pacific_Victory
From: MARE PACIFICVM
As an avid student of The Art of War, I have to include Sun Tzu, but I'm also interested in all of the Chinese philosophers, especially the Taoists.

作为孙子兵法的一个粉丝,我一定要选孙子,但我对所有中国哲学家都有兴趣,尤其是道家。



October 30th, 2013, 07:23 AM           #25
purakjelia
Quote:
Originally Posted by tornada
Sun Tzu, or Kublai Khan.
Kublai was Mongol, not Chinese
Yuan was a Mongol dynasty

引用:
作者:tornada
“孙子,或忽必烈。 ”

忽必烈是蒙古人,不是中国人。
元是蒙古王朝



October 30th, 2013, 07:40 AM           #26
Archa
From: UK (英国)
Quote:
Originally Posted by purakjelia
Kublai was Mongol, not Chinese
Yuan was a Mongol dynasty

So are we restricting ourselves to just Han Chinese then? Playing devil's advocate here, I myself would say he's mongol as well.
Han Shan (寒山) is indeed a monk heylouis, and I think (I'm **** at reading pinyin, because everyone use a different way of spelling names, some proper pinyin, some phonetic translations, some just random letters... so forgive me if I'm wrong), Meng Mu is Mengzi's mother (孟母). And you'd be surprised how many Chinese people there are here.
EDIT: Forgot to nominate my own, Sun Tzu, Su Shi are amongst my favourite, but there are a lot more, many of them from the Warring States and the Three Kingdoms period (it's easy to tell what sort of books I've read XD).
Last edited by Archa; October 30th, 2013 at 07:48 AM.

引用:
作者:purakjelia
“忽必烈是蒙古人,不是中国人。 元是蒙古王朝 ”

那么,我们是不是要限定一下只包括中国汉族人呢? 好吧搞一下鬼,我也认为他是蒙古人。

寒山(寒山)确实是一个和尚,heylouis,我认为(我读拼音很xxx,因为每个人都用不同的方式拼写名字,一些是适当的拼音,有点是注音翻译,甚至只是随机字母.. 所以如果我错了请原谅。),孟母是孟子的母亲(孟母)。 另外你会惊奇地发现还有很多中国人在这里。

忘了我自己的提名,孙子,苏轼是其中我最喜欢的,但还有很多,其中很多是战国和三国时期的(可以很容易地知道我读过什么书XD)。



October 30th, 2013, 07:40 AM           #27
christos200 (希腊)
From: Greece
Sun Tzu and Cao Cao.

孙子与曹操。
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