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Why doesn't the USA give California independence?
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Why doesn't the USA give California independence?



一、Why doesn't the USA give California independence?


Harrison Shone, Mostly Unemployed (1998-present) · Answered Oct 9, 2017 · 935 Views
For several reasons…
Most Californians don’t want independence from the United States. Only a fringe minority does. Same with Texas.
Secession is illegal. No state or territory can secede from the United States unless a constitutional amendment is created to allow this, which is very unlikely.
States require foreign recognition to be seen as legitimate. If they did succeed without the U.S recognizing them, nobody else would recognize them either thanks to the global power and influence of the U.S.
They would never be ablate fight their way out. The U.S army is too powerful, and they would have NATO for assistance.



Jude Brown, Journalist, Psychic & Medium · Updated Oct 14, 2017 · 138 Views
Yeah, that's right: a state with a Democratic governor and legislature has created such a vibrant economy, only five entire countries on planet earth do better.
Unfortunately, like the rest of the healthy economy Blue States, California's tax dollars get stolen to prop up the failed economy welfare Red States, whose Republican policies have driven their economies into the ground.
Blue State, Red Face: Guess Who Benefits More From Your Taxes?
But California can afford to be generous.
Also, nearly half of U.S. produce is grown in California: so y'all would literally starve without us.
Only 18% of Californians approve of Calexit — a movement that was funded by Russia, and whose leader has fled back to Moscow.
Nearly 70 Percent of Californians Oppose Seceding from the union  
Calexit leader drops California secession effort to make Russia his ‘new home’
Republicans colluding with Russia is a bigger movement than the secession of California.





Caspian Forsyth, lives in California · Answered Oct 9, 2017 · 77 Views
California doesn’t want independence.
A tiny sliver of Californians want independence. So do a tiny sliver of Texans, New Yorkers, Floridians, Alaskans, Vermonters, and so on. They remain a tiny sliver.
Somewhat more Californians have answered recent opinion polls in a pro-secession manner, but an opinion poll for a situation that virtually everyone agrees is impossible is not a realistic uation of true support for secession.
So why would the United States grant California independence when California doesn’t want independence, and the sum total of Californians who actually, truly want independence are small enough in number to have their annual convention at a Dennys?




Harvey Murray, Freelance philosopher · Answered Oct 9, 2017 · 128 Views
They are a big agricultural state that needs cheap labor. So they simple don’t want to comply with any laws that make it harder (or more expensive) to get that labor. Especially they billionaires who are make the big money or their sweat.


Anonymous · Answered Oct 9, 2017 · 38 Views
US States cannot secede from the union  , the Civil War resolved that question


二、Why doesn't the USA let Hawaii become independent?


Anonymous · Answered Mar 1, 2017 · 290 Views
I would say the USA don’t let Hawaii become independent because it’s not that simple. Nearly every polling district voted in FAVOR of becoming a state - “yes” to statehood was at a 17 to 1 margin. That’s overwhelmingly in favor. The people of the Territory of Hawaii CHOSE to be the state of Hawaii.
Plus, untangling from the USA, if even possible, would cut off 1.4 million people from the benefits of being American. And, if you think millions want to lose Social Security, Medicare, SNAP, WIC, School Lunch, Highway money, Welfare, Federal Student Loans, Tsunami warning technology…and literally thousands of other benefits…I believe you are mistaken. Billions of investment from America and fellow Americans would be lost overnight and replaced with….what?
I hope this doesn’t come across as too much reality. But, Hawaii is isolated and distant. Yet, still a critically important place. If the USA and Hawaii parted ways, defenseless, starving and poor Hawaii would be a target for the rapidly expanding Chinese. How much better would they fare under the “protection” of China or some other power?
This also does not suppose that what happened in the 1898 overthrow was “right”…how it went down was just how things happened in the 19th Century. Don’t think that eventually someone in the early 20th century - likely the Japanese - would have completely overlooked Hawaii at some point. Or, even with the monarchy, business interests wouldn’t have eventually forced out the monarchy anyway. There are so many scenarios that would / could have happened, we can’t just have a naive belief that if America hadn’t annexed Hawaii, things would have gone on as they were forever.





Richard Becker · Answered Jul 25, 2017 · 90 Views
Because it is a state of the United States… which voted overwhelmingly to join the union   in 1959. Even if the U.S. granted independence to Hawaii it would be difficult for them to maintain it. What people forget is that it isn’t just Hawaii and the U.S. in a vacuum with no other countries involved. Even in the 19th century other nations would have liked to annex Hawaii, but no others did because they were not certain how the U.S. would have reacted to an annexation. Basically other nations were told(I forget which President) that the annexation of Hawaii would be considered an unfriendly act towards the U.S., as a hostile fleet based there would be a threat to the west coast of this country. That is still true today. Because of that, and other actions of a similar type, the Hawaiian islands were considered by other nations(Great Britain, Russia, Japan, Germany etc.) to be in the American” sphere of influence” and as such off- limits for annexation. When the U.S. annexed the islands in 1898 no other nation, not even Great Britain, protested very much as it was not worth jeopardizing their relations with the U.S. over Hawaii. In fact when Princess Ka’iulani traveled to London to try to get British support for the Hawaiian monarchy against the U.S. she was basically told that the United Kingdom was not going to risk a war with America to restore their monarchy, even though the U.K. had a Queen themselves. Even in the 21st century the strategic location of Hawaii in the middle of the Pacific Ocean requires the U.S. to maintain a fleet in the islands to protect the west coast. Imagine if Japan, instead of attacking Pearl Harbor, had been able to attack from Pearl Harbor to bomb Los Angeles, San Diego or San Francisco. Hawaiian independence, if not annexed by the U.S. in 1898, would not have lasted past 1941, as Imperial Japan would have easily occupied the islands, and Japanese colonial rule would have been a disaster for the Hawaiians, as shown by Japanese rule in Korea, Formosa, and Occupied China. It is far better for the inhabitants of Hawaii to be part of the world’s most stable democracy. As a state Hawaii has all the benefits and civil rights equal in all respects to the other 49 states. Besides it’s a wonderful place to visit and American citizens don’t even need a passport.


Jacqui Marlin, former teacher · Answered Jul 28, 2017 · 94 Views
Perhaps I should ask you why doesn’t the USA let Texas become independent? Hawai`i became the 50th state on August 21, 1959. Prior to that it was an independent nation but once it became a state it is ruled by the laws of secession that any other state in the union   would have to abide by. And since there are no rules dictating how any state can secede it would be very difficult.
Other reasons IF it were a possibility are political and monetary. You have probably heard “in unity there is strength.” Hawai`i is situated strategically in the Pacific Ocean and militarily it is the first line of defense from attack from the West. Without the rest of the union   behind it, Hawai`i would be quite vulnerable.
Because it is a small and spread out state there would not be enough of a financial base to support its independence. It takes a lot of money to run a country and if Hawai`i was an independent nation it would have to duplicate many services now provided by the Federal Government. In other words, it just wouldn’t be feasible for Hawai`i to become independent as a nation in the world.


Elwood Wyatt, 50+ years of various forms of surfing. · Answered Apr 8, 2018 · 15 Views
Hawaii doesn’t want independence! Despite any hoopla raised by vocal TMT opponents, the vast majority of the residents of Hawaii are quite happy to be American citizens and would fight to maintain that status were it truly at risk.


Rick Vincent, lives in Hawaii (2010-present) · Answered Feb 11, 2018 · 32 Views
To put it bluntly … Hawaii hasn’t advanced a measure before the US Government to secede from the US. Whether for the reasons listed below or not, is unknown. I really just think that the idea is not yet popular enough, even among the residents here.


Bruce Allen Oatway, lives in Hawai‘i · Answered Mar 4, 2017 · 46 Views
Military imperialism.




Anonymous · Answered Feb 22, 2017 · 194 Views
The hypothesis is interesting…but so removed from reality it’s not worth considering. If Hawaii declared / fought for independence, and by some miracle the US did not decide or was not able to retain them as part of the union  , then this would mean the US had grown very weak - and China likely very strong. In my opinion, it would only be a matter of time until China assumed control of the islands. Hawaii’s strategic importance can not be denied even in the modern naval era.
While it’s too bad that the 1898 overthrow of Hawaii went down the way that it did, in the end, the people of Hawaii have drawn significant benefits from being part of the USA. Look at other, independent Pacific island nations…they, by and large, are all far less secure and advanced as Hawaii.
Add to that the generous benefits of American citizenship…just by virtue of birth. If you are struggling, SNAP, Welfare, Social Security, AFDC, WIC, EITC and so many more things that make day to day life even possible. What could possibly be done to replace all this federally provided gravy? Not to mention the income from domestic tourism.
Breaking out of the USA would mean creating a currency (backed by what?), creating a military (to defend against China or the USA?), keeping the US gravy train of transfer payments going to the population - or facing eventual revolt again. And these two major stumbling blocks are just the beginning…Scotland faced the reality when considering leaving the UK…they based their future income on north sea oil…which looked rosy at the time, and then oil prices collapsed.
Many of the separatists have pie in the sky ideas about the US military staying and paying rent to create a GNP for the kingdom…ask Cuba how that’s worked out for them at Guantanamo. Tourism could be hobbled by visa or travel restrictions from the USA. Sure, the Jones act would be lifted, but it would be possible to isolate these isolated islands in a way that would exact a horrifying human toll. All of the presumes an upsetting of the world order, which I can’t rule out.
Again, I get that how things went down in the 19th century would not, could not and should not happen today…but, it is what it is and it happened. A large majority of ethnic Hawaiians voted to JOIN the USA in the late 50’s; they saw the benefit of being a state. Better idea in Hawaii is how to exert their influence and importance and get more swag for being a state. Work with the system and work the system to your benefit.







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