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新加坡和港民PK:香港好还是新加坡好?


Is Hong Kong better than Singapore?
译者:laenseloe     发布时间:2013-06-30     超过 0 位网友阅读

在香港,曾荫权可以因为贪腐问题被廉政公署调查。你在我们新加坡敢调查李氏高管试试?

原文链接:http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/06/18/is-hong-kong-better-than-singapore/


 
I refer to the article “Memo to CY, Singapore isn’t better off” by Jake van der Kamp (South China Morning Post, Jun 12).
 
我看了那篇文献“共青团(?)备忘录,新加坡并不是更好的”,撰写自Jake van der Kamp(南华早报,6月12日)
 
Negative net income balance?
净负收益平衡?
 
It states that “Singapore’s net income balance has been negative to the tune of an average of 5 per cent of GDP for the past 10 years. That big trade surplus, a third of GDP, is not doing much at all to help make Singaporeans wealthier”.
 
文章指出,“新加坡的净收入余额已在过去的10年平均占国内生产总值的百分之五呈现负面调控。那么大的贸易盈余,相当于本地生产总值的三分之一,并没有使新加坡人变得更富裕“。
 
This may be a contributing factor to help explain why many Singaporeans may be struggling to make ends meet. For example, real median wages have been negative for 2008, 2009, just an increase of 0.5 per cent in 2010, and – 0.8 per cent again last year.
 
这可能就是一个相当有远见性的解释,解释了为什么现下那么多新加坡人挣扎着解决入不敷出的情况。比如说真正的薪资平均值在2008和2009都呈现负面走势,只在2010年的时候增长了0.5,而到了去年,又变成了-0.8%。
 
Low private consumption expenditure?
私人消费开支水平低下?
 
“the Hong Kong system gives its people 65 per cent of their economic effort to spend on themselves (private consumption expenditure). The Singapore system gives its people barely half of that and the figure has been getting steadily worse”
 
“香港给予它的人民劳动所得的65%来作为自己的消费(私人消费开支),而在新加坡,群众只能拿到差不多50%,而这数字还在进一步下降。”
 
“personal consumption expenditure per employed person. Hong Kong maintains a steady lead over Singapore”
 
“每个工作者的私人消费开支。香港始终稳稳领先于新加坡”
 
Low public spending on services?
公共服务设施支出低下?
 
Some of the possible reasons for the above comparative data between Singapore and Hong Kong, may be that Singapore’s public spending as a percentage of GDP on Healthcare at 1.6 per cent, and Education as a percentage of GNI at 3 per cent, have been one of the lowest in the world. (Source: “The Different Sovereign Wealth Funds and Their Implications” by Professor Christopher Balding – [url]http://www.baldingsworld.com/2012/06/11/the-different-sovereign-wealth-funds-and-their-implications/[/url])
 
对于上述关于新加坡和香港之间数值比较的结果,之所以这样的原因也许是由于新加坡的公共支出,特别是对医疗保健上的花费仅占到1.6%,而教育支出仅占到国民收入总值的3%,可以说是全球最低。
 
Low public spending on healthcare and education, may mean that there has been higher private spending by Singaporeans. Thus, perhaps this may be a contributing factor to lower private consumption expenditure, which is kind of like the ordinary people’s spending power.
 
在医疗和教育上的公共支出如此之低,也就意味着新加坡人在私人消费开支上变得更高。因此,也许这正是降低私人消费开支的时机,类似于普通百姓的消费能力。
 
It’s like the less the Government spends on public services, the more the people have to spend out of their own pockets.
 
就好比说政府在公共服务上花得越少,群众就要从自己的腰包里掏得更多。
 
 
Competition from foreign labour?
与外来劳力的竞争?
 
“If you ever thought Hong Kong people foist their dirty work on foreign labour you can ease your conscience by looking at Singapore, where about 36 per cent is non-resident”
 
如果你曾经觉得香港人是强行将那些脏活累活都交给外来劳力来做的话,看看新加坡的情况可能会好一点——因为这里有36%的非本地居民。
 
This liberal foreign labour policy may be another contributing factor to the hardship of Singaporeans, by way of competition for jobs, lower pay, etc.
 
宽松的外劳政策可能是造成现如今新加坡人困境的另一个原因,比如说工作竞争的方式,更低的薪酬等等。



It's a REAL, REAL World:
June 18, 2012 at 10:42 pm  It's a REAL, REAL World(Quote)
Certainly HK can be better than Spore. Money saved to used elsewhere.
Why?
(1) It has a very wealthy & powerful HINTERLAND and next door, China, that supplies all her water, energy and fresh food, etc.
(2) It doesnt have to spend a cent on defence (taken care of by the PLA).
(3) The people are bilingual (former colony of the UK like Spore).
(4) Its education standard is on par with Spore (if not better) – HK University ranks 21st in the World University Rankings 2010-2011.
 
Spore has no hinterland, no size (no economies of scale), insufficient potable water, no mineral resources, etc.
However, Spore has one very GREAT asset – Government.
(1) She is able to support & maintain a 3G Defence Force.
(2) She is able to provide some safety net in the CPF (unlike HK where everyone is for himself).
(3) She is able to house 80% of its ordinary citizens in state subsidied HDB flats whilst the wealthy lives in private property.
 
Spore is all alone and has no one to turn to in any global downturn. Her hard-earned reserves are the only asset to check costly imports via the strongly backed S$ and fund wages in bad times.
 
香港显然比新加坡好呀。可以省下一大笔钱用在其它地方。
原因呢?
(1)她隔壁是非常富饶强大的中国内地,为她提供淡水、能源和新鲜食物等。
(2)不用花一毛钱来搞国防(PLA照顾着呢)。
(3)人都会双语(和新加坡一样,以前都是英国的殖民地)。
(4)教育水准和新加坡相当(也许更好)——香港大学是2010-11年世界大学排名的第21位。
 
新加坡没有腹地,国土小(没有规模效益),没有充足的饮用水,没有金属资源,等。
但是,新加坡有着很棒的家底——政府。
(1)她能支撑和维持着一个三军国防部队。
(2)她能提供一些公积金的保障网(不像香港个人顾个人的)。
(3)她能给80%的普通公民提供住房,他们住在政府资助的HDB(组屋)中,而有钱人住在私人的房产中。
 
新加坡是独立的,在任何全球衰退中都无人可求。她辛苦赚来的储备是唯一可以在困难时期来支付高额的进口费用,通过坚挺的新加坡元和基金工资的支持。



Apocalypse 2012:
June 18, 2012 at 11:13 pm  Apocalypse 2012(Quote)
I have emailed to TRE some days ago the full newspaper cutting of this article which appeared in the SCMP.
Wondering why TRE never published it IN FULL here instead.
Mod: we have emailed SCMP for permission to republish. Have yet to receive a reply.
 
几天前我给TRE电邮了这篇在SCMP上出现的文章的全文剪报。
为什么TRE不直接在这儿把它全文出版呢?
 
管理员:我们已经联系了SCMP,征求重新出版的许可。还没收到回复呢。



Of course Hong Kong is better:
June 18, 2012 at 11:33 pm  Of course Hong Kong is better(Quote)
Hong Kong is better than Singapore because there is openness, transparency and accountability in the public sector. It is also not a police state like Singapore. Hong Kong is not run by a bunch of ex-military morons like Singapore.
 
香港比新加坡好,因为那里的公共部门有开放性、透明度和问责制。而且它也不是像新加坡一样的警察国家。香港不像新加坡这样被一群弱智的退伍军人经营着。



JackSheet:
June 18, 2012 at 11:44 pm  JackSheet(Quote)
Bloody moron! Do you think Hong Kong gets everything from China for free? Did you think China has been supporting Hong Kong for hundreds of years? 
 
Stop lying to people you scum faced liar!
 
Hong Kong and its people are doing well because they do not have a government that takes every opportunity or creates new one from which to earn itself a penny, at the expense of its people.
 
Low and middle income Singaporeans pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to the government, way above the cost of building a public housing home. This reduces the spending of Singaporeans that could have been used to boost their economy.
 
Education and healthcare are necessities and the Singapore government spends one of the least in terms of GDP in the world. THerefore, Singaporeans have to spend a lot of their own money for such expenditure. This again reduces their ability to spend in the local economy.
 
The Singapore PAP government is a fascist government that reduces union  s to a government machinery, rewards itself greatly at the expense of the country’s coffers, controls almost all forms of mass media, judiciary and public appointments. They control no less than 65% of the economy through various companies that stifle competition. They control all forms of monopoly in the economy and reward their fellow fascists greatly at the expense of the country. Oftentimes, incompetent individuals are placed in positions where they have absolutely no experience nor educational background.
 
蠢材!你以为香港能从中国免费获得一切么?你以为中国几百年来一直在支持香港吗?
别撒谎了你这个不要脸的骗子!
 
香港和它的人民这么好是因为他们没有那种利用一切机会制造一切手段、或者靠牺牲自己的人民来挣钱的政府。中低等收入的新加坡人要付给政府数十万新币,比公共住宅可贵得多了。这减少了新加坡人促进经济的开销。
 
教育和医疗是必需的,新加坡政府是世界上对此投入最少的政府之一。因此,新加坡人不得不在这上面大量地花费自己的钱。这又减少了他们在本地经济的消费能力。
 
新加坡人民行动党政府就是个法西斯政府,把工会变成个政府机构,用国库支出来大大中饱私囊,控制了几乎所有的大众媒体、司法和公职。他们通过各种公司来扼杀竞争,掌控了不少于65%的经济。他们控制着所有经济中的独裁形式,用公费喂饱了他们的法西斯跟班们。经常将没有经验或教育背景的的人员安排在不称职的职位上。



sporean:
June 19, 2012 at 1:10 am  sporean(Quote)
Why must compare with HK?
 
It is another joke.
 
Highest income gap in the world, lowest birthrate.
Although Spore is a close 2nd.
 
为咩一定要和香港比较?
这又是个笑话。
世界上最高的收入差距,最低的出生率。
尽管新加坡接近第二名。



Merlion:
June 19, 2012 at 1:36 am  Merlion(Quote)
@It’s a REAL, REAL World
1) Before returning to PRC in 1997, HK was already doing very well compared to SG. After that, the progressing large cities in PRC are more of an economic threat than help to HK. More HKers are going over to PRC to look for jobs.
2) The free-wheeling society in HK is also more attractive to real foreign talents than SG. SG only gets a few real FTs but loads of average Joe and Jane foreign workers to depress, replace and displace SG PMETs based on cheaper labour cost.
3) In addition, the entreprenuerial spirit of HongKongers are stronger than SG’s. In contrast, SG state owns stakes in firms that comprise perhaps 60% of the GDP through entities such as the sovereign wealth fund Temasek killing small entreprenuers.
4) CPF is worker’s money, forced to be locked away and used by the state in a non-transprent manner — not a safety net provided by the government.
5) SG is blessed geographically as an entrepot for a start, not solely human effort.
 
1)1997年香港回归前,它已经比新加坡做得好了。那之后,中国大城市的发展对香港来讲更像是经济威胁而不是经济帮助。更多的香港人到中国去找工作。
 
2)香港的自由社会比起新加坡来说也吸引着真正的外国人才。新加坡只有几个真正的金融人才,更多的是大批工厂里的的外国工人,因为他们更廉价的劳动力成本减少和取代了新加坡的技术性人才。
 
3)另外,香港人的企业精神比新加坡人的强。于此相反的是,新加坡政府拥有包含着大概60%GDP的公司的股份,通过例如像淡马锡财富基金这样的实体来扼杀小企业。
 
4)公积金是工人的钱,它被政府用不透明的手段冻结或使用——这不能算政府提供的保障网。
 
5)新加坡拜地理位置所赐,以转口港起家,而不是仅靠人的努力。



Merlion:
June 19, 2012 at 1:39 am  Merlion(Quote)
@It’s a REAL, REAL World
6) SG Defense spending provides opportunities for jobs and commercial spin-off that HK doesn’t enjoy. SG spends too much on military hardware and too little on NSmen.
7) HDB “subsidy” is market price subsidy (state land price + building cost + profit). HDB flats could have been much cheaper if it’s not a market price subsidy. Many wouldn’t have to struggle their whole life just to pay the unit. SG’s Public housing spending is to low.
Fully agreed with the article, SG’s education & healthcare spending is also too low stripping of personal consumption power, and added hardship with influx of foreign workers.
9) SG is not alone, there are IMF, World Bank etc. Many Asian countries used their help during the Asian Financial crisis. It is a fear propaganda by the PAP.
 
6)新加坡的国防花费提供了工作机会和商业分拆,而香港享受不到这些。新加坡花费了太多的钱在军事硬件上,极少花钱在战备军人身上。
 
7)组屋“ 补贴”是市场价补贴(国土价格+建筑成本+利润)。组屋公寓如果不按市场价来的话可以便宜得多。很多人就不用奋斗一辈子来买房了。新加坡的公共住房支出太低了。
完全同意这篇文章,新加坡的教育和医疗支出相对个人购买力和外国劳务涌入所需的硬件设施来说也太低了。
 
9)新加波并不孤单,有国际货币基金组织、世界银行等等。很多亚洲国家在亚洲金融危机的时候都得到了它们的帮助。这只是人民行动党的恐惧宣传而已。



LIONS:
June 19, 2012 at 1:42 am  LIONS(Quote)
HONESTLY,hk IS MORE ATRRACTIVE than SG in some ways but i really cannot be bothered!
all i want sgporeans to realsie is IS present-day SG better than just a LOS DECADE ago?
are there more sgporeans getting GAINFULLY EMPLOYED venas the gahmen promised that they will only welocme fTS WHO WILL CREATE JOBS FOR SGPOREANS?
HOW MANY poor sgporeans have gone up the ladder to the middle-income or higher comapred to how MANY middle-income being relegated to the NEW POOR in last ten years or so?
we do not need them to fulfill their promise of SWISS STANDARD for all sgporeans but we hope we can be allowedto MAINTIAN our SG STANDARDS OF YESTERYEARS.
SO,isn;t it a FALLCAY that HIGH GDP is GOOD FOR ALL SGPOREANS whne it is only good for the FEW GOOD MEN themselves.
GOOD MEN,indeed and a handful of GOOD WOMEN,i presume?
 
老实讲,香港在某些方面比新加坡更具吸引力,但我不会被动摇!
我只求新加坡人能意识到,现在的新加坡比十年前要好吗?
 
在政府承诺只欢迎外国人才来为新加坡人创造更多就业岗位后,有多少新加坡人得到了高薪职位?
 
在过去的十年里,有多少贫困新加坡人爬到了中等收入或更高的位置?而又有多少中等收入的人变成了新晋穷人?我们不指望政府兑现他们让新加坡人过上瑞士标准的承诺,只求能保住以前的新加坡标准。
 
当高GDP只让极少人得利的时候,说它能让所有新加坡人都受惠难道不荒谬吗?
极少人,其实也包括一些女人,是吧?



My GrandMOTHER's Road !:
June 19, 2012 at 3:06 am  My GrandMOTHER's Road !(Quote)
But bear in mind that HK is given only 50 years to be run as a SAR.
After that it will be wholly run and administrated by china in FULL COMMUNISM RULE. No one will know what will really happen then.
Good luck to HK and her people.
 
不要忘了香港只有50年的特别行政区权限。
在那之后它就会完全被中国接管和掌控,以完全社会主义的方式。没人知道那时将会发生什么。
祝香港及其人民好运。



eremarf:
June 19, 2012 at 3:19 am  eremarf(Quote)
“Singapore’s public spending as a percentage of GDP on Healthcare at 1.6 per cent, and Education as a percentage of GNI at 3 per cent, have been one of the lowest in the world.”
I say a lot of times already when I was a teacher…. not enough resources. You can see how many parents turn to tuition – because seriously – it’s impossible to teach 40 students as well as 20 students as well as 5 students. How many people go for tuition in groups of 40?
But MOE thinks they damn steady – “Wah! We spend so little money, but out maths and science results best in the world! Let’s promote everyone and give out bonuses!”
 
“新加坡的公共支出中,医疗占GDP的1.6%,教育占国民总收入的3%,是世界最低之一。”
 
我当老师的时候就讲过很多次……资源不足。你们去看看现在有多少家长都在找补习班——这是因为——教40个学生不可能有教20个那么好的效果,也不可能有教5个那么好的效果。40个学生的班上有多少人都去补习班了?
 
但是教育部觉得他们很安稳——“哇!看看我们只花了这么点钱,但数学和科学成绩都是世界上最好的!来来来,咱们都升个职,都发些奖金吧!”



Wrong lor – our students only good at scoring in exams – when it comes to the workplace – they’re probably only average compared to the rest of the world. This is the invisible failure of our education system that MOE never has to account for.
 
我们的学生只擅长考高分,而实际走入工作岗位后,可能能力放到世界来看也只是一般。这是我们教育系统的失败,教育局该为此负责。



Apolitical Observer:
June 19, 2012 at 8:53 am  Apolitical Observer(Quote)
It is well known that Jake van der Kamp has a massive chip on his shoulder with regards to Singapore. Even though he is a foreigner, he thinks like a typical Hongkie and hates us with a passion. Just refer to the various commentaries he has written about us over the years.
Sorry but using him to criticise my own Singapore is akin to helping foreigners attack us. I really would not take him seriously.
 
众所周知,Jake van der Kamp 一向对新加坡很有偏见。虽然是个外国人,但他却总以地道香港人的视角去思考,去乐此不疲地仇视我们。只要去看看他这些年来所写的评论就知道了。
 
抱歉,但我还是要说,用他的那一套来批评新加坡,无异于是在帮助那些外国人攻击我们。他的那些东西真的不值得我认真对待。



Doomed !:
June 19, 2012 at 9:28 am  Doomed !(Quote)
Exactly.
 
说得非常到位。



TPK:
June 19, 2012 at 10:00 am  TPK(Quote)
Hong Kong medical cost is very much lower than Singapore. SGD 20 will allow a subsidized patient to receive specialist treatment that include consultation, medication, X-Ray, blood test, etc. In Singapore, for SGD20, a subsidized patient cannot even see the face of the specialist. The total bill that includes consultation, medication, X-Ray and blood test could easily cost a few hundred dollar. But our very thick-skinned PAP government can still claim that we are heavily subsidized! In addition, in Hong Kong, all the hospital wards are air conditioned to provide comfort to patient due to it’s hot weather. Especially in the case of those patients who have undergone surgery, air-conditioned room will keep the wound dry and make it easier for the wound to heal, in addition to make it comfortable for the patient. But in the case of Singapore, this heartless PAP government, despite claiming taking good care of the citizen, thinks that it is alright for a patient if he/she doesn’t has the money!
 
香港的医疗费用比新加坡低多了。(在香港)20新加坡元可以让一个受补助的病人接受专科治疗了,包括会诊、医药、X光、验血,等等。而在新加坡,20新加坡元还不够同样的病人见专科医生一面的呢。像会诊、医药、X光和验血这样的流程做下来,动辄上百美元。而我们厚脸皮的PAP政府居然依旧宣称我们有很高程度的医疗补助!(译注:PAP,人民行动党,新加坡至今唯一的执政党)
 
另外,在香港,所有医院的病房都有空气调节系统以为病人在炎热的天气中提供舒适的环境。尤其是对于那些经历过外科手术的病人,有空气调节系统的房间能保持病人伤口干爽,加速治愈,还能减轻病人的痛苦。
 
然而在新加坡,这个无情冷血的PAP政府,尽管声称服务于每个市民,却根本不管那些病人,如果他/她没钱的话!



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RDB:
June 19, 2012 at 10:08 am  RDB(Quote)
And so GET REAL @It’s a REAL, REAL World: June 18, 2012 at 10:42 pm (Quote),
As aren’t one of those superficial ones who will not count yourself as a RESOURSE to suck in all the bluffs & paronoid of thee old geeza LKYism & his cronies in PAP and also all those privatized statutory boards as GLCs & their purchased medium enterprised with YOURS & OUR money! Aren’t ALL ESSENTIAL SERVICES now in private hands and or manned by their cronies!
Now, are you not suffering from amnesia? where was HK’s hinterland before 1987 when the Brits were there to benefit from Hong Kongers? And did not the PRC govt declare “A one countries two system” with HK?
And of Sg in dire dangers of being obliterated. Read what I said in TREmeritus before?…
 
1. Ex-Malaysians are even ministers here!
2. Malaysians are in great numbers here. Some as PRs due only to paper certs paper-tigers PAP love! Even married to Singaporeans!
3. Many Indonesian wealthy and their govt leaders park their money in Sg banks and own PRIVATE properties, even HI-END properties here!
4. Brunei a small rich nation aalso has $ tied to Sing $ and park much money in Sg banks!
5. East Malaysia Kalimantan Sarawak has not ambitions to attack Sg for obvious reasons!
6. Thailand has no political reason to attack Sg too!
7. Myanmar got enough of their own troubles and go democratic now!
8. Vietnam is most remote to want Sg.
 
NOW… give US REAL WORLD REASON ON who wants to destroy our INFRASTRUSTURES with 1 or 2 bombs to own SG!
 
有些浅薄的人不觉得自己是生活在李光耀主义老臣及其人民行动党党羽们的虚张和偏激之中,也不觉得自己受到了所有私有化法定机构例如政联公司(GLCs)和它们用咱们的钱所收购的中型企业的愚弄!现在所有的基础服务都掌握在他们私人的手上,和他们党羽的手上!
 
现在,你还在患失忆症吗?1987年以前英国人还在香港获益呢,那个时候香港的腹地在哪儿?中国政府难道没有宣布对香港“一国两制”吗?
 
至于新加坡正处在被扼杀的危险之中这种话。读过我之前在Tremeritus写的东西吗?(译:Tremeritus是新加坡一个新闻网站)?……
 
1. 以前的马来西亚人都做到这儿的部长了!
2. 这里有大量的马来西亚人。一些是永久居民,只因为纸老虎人民行动党喜欢这样!
3. 很多印尼人都很富有,他们的政府把钱投在了新加坡银行里,并在这里拥有私产,甚至是高端私产!
4. 文莱是一个小型富国,也和新加坡捆绑在一起,并把钱投在新加坡银行里!
5. 东马来西亚的加里曼丹沙越并无明显理由有攻击新加坡的野心。
6. 泰国也没有攻击新加坡的政治原因!
7. 缅甸自己的麻烦就够多的了,并且现在也走向民主了!
8. 越南离新加坡太远了。
 
现在……给我们点现实世界的理由,谁会想扔两颗炸弹来摧毁我们的基础建设并占有新加坡?!



henpecked:
June 19, 2012 at 12:37 pm  henpecked(Quote)
You bet, of course HK is better, at least the transport system is way better and efficient, the SAR is much more democratic in thinking, shame on Singapore, or rather our dated Govt.
 
打赌,显然是香港更好,至少交通系统要好得多、高效得多,特别行政区在思想上要民主得多。新加坡真丢人,或者我们过时的政府真丢人。 



TOXIC PAP Doom in 2016:
June 19, 2012 at 1:59 pm  TOXIC PAP Doom in 2016(Quote)
HKG in the 70s 80s were ‘watch-makers’ of the world besides the Swiss – what Singapore? Make clocks, yes cuckoo clocks and grandfather clocks!!!!
 
HK in the 80s exported jumbo-plane loads of Cabbage Patch kids – Singapore? PAP chose simple brainless ways of inviting MNCs to ‘teach Singaporeans how to fuck, but PAP fcccked Singaporeans.
 
HK movie industry? 1st class champs.. Singapore PAP hollywood oscars winners every year !!!
 
HK? Last week bought the London Metal Exchange – SGX fccccked reeling from China IPOs scandals, SGX spent more time in issuing threats and lawyer letters, compliance letters !!!!
 
HK? Speak Cantonese, yet still CAN CONQUER the BUSINESS world. Singapore ? SCREWED up for years to speak Mandarin ONLY TO COZY UP to the LARGEST COMMUNIST PARTY in the World !!!!
 
HK ? – Minibonds CRISIS protected investors. SGP? MAS screwed investors WASH HANDS !!!!
 
香港在七八十年代是是除了瑞士以外的“制表者”——新加坡是什么?制钟者。制的是布谷鸟钟和老爷钟!!!
 
香港在八十年代出口了大量的椰菜娃娃——新加坡呢?人民行动党像个弱智一样请进了跨国公司来“教新加坡人怎样爽”,结果人民行动党自个儿爽翻了。
香港电影工业?一流水平…新加坡人民行动党的好莱坞每年都是奥斯卡的赢家!!!(译:讽刺其是“影帝”)
 
香港?上星期收购了伦敦金属交易所——新加坡证券交易所受到中国首次公开募股丑闻的影响,花费了大把时间在应对威胁和律师信、证明书上!!!
香港?讲广东话,但依然在征战国际商界。新加坡?多年来一直在搞普通话,只为了讨好世界上最大的社会主义党派!!!
 
香港?——迷你债券危机保护了投资者。新加坡?马拉西亚失败的投资者金盆洗手!!!



eugene:
June 19, 2012 at 2:37 pm  eugene(Quote)
The pursuit for efficiency and return on investment is relentless.
And it should be.
But the issue here is not that. It is the manner and method of pursuing it. Currently no MBA from Harvard has the brains to pursue all this except for the very simplistic way: CUT COSTS.
It is the one and only approach. Zero idea on other ways.
They also forget about systems. If the system is not properly mapped out or designed, cutting costs will hurt other areas.
This is what has happened to the education of our kids. WE teach how to ace an exam… that is efficient.
But we lose the real learning.. that is a cost
A cost that can only be accounted much later in time… like now.
We lose out on innovative ideas… so being efficient, we approach it with great efficiency… we hire foreign talent.
We too can play the same approach with the Gov and the political parties.. we vote them out
 
追求效益和投资回报是无情的。
它也本该如此。
但这里的问题不是那个。是解决它的方式方法。目前哈佛的研究生都没那个脑子来解决这些,只有非常简单的办法:削减成本。
这是唯一的出路。别无他法。
 
他们也忘记了体制。如果体制制定或设计得不合适,那么削减成本就会危及其它领域。
这就像我们在孩子的教育上所做的事。我们教他们怎么在考试中得到高分…这是效益。
但是我们丢掉了真正的学习……这是成本。
成本只能很久以后才能计算出来……就像现在。
 
我们丢掉了创新思维……所以为了高效,我们付出了很多成本…我们雇佣了外国人才。
我们也可以用同样的手段来对待政府及政党……是我们投票选他们出来的。



-------------译者:laenseloe-------------
HK more open:
June 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm  HK more open(Quote)
HK can afford to pay more for social welfare because it pays its ministers only a very small fraction of what Singapore does. It also does not siphon off any budget excess to any sovereign wealth fund. Instead any budget excess at the end of each year is redistributed among the people in a very open and transparent way. For example, last year they had a huge budget excess, and so every man, woman and child gets HK$6000 which is directly credited to their nominated bank accounts.
Apart from the HK$6000, every household also gets free of charge the first chunk (7.5 cu.m. per month) of potable water. Any usage in excess of this free chunk will still have to be paid. Furthermore, all senior citizens and school children get heavily subsidized public transport at only HK$2 per trip. Medical expenses in all government hospitals are also capped at only HK$100 per illness. Unlike in Singapore, Hongkies don’t have to pay any GST for their medical expenses or operations.
 
香港能支付更多的社会福利因为政府支付给其部长级别官员的比起新加坡而言,只占很小一部分。而且这并不会从任何一个主权财富基金中吸走任何超支预算。取而代之的是,每年年末,任何的超支预算都会以非常开放和透明的方式再次分配在每个人的头上。举例而言,去年他们有一笔巨大的超支预算,因此每个男士女士和孩子都从各自的银行账户里得到了6000港币。
 
除开这6000港币之外,每个家庭还将免费获得首块(每月7.5立方米)饮用水的免费使用权。当然了,超过的部分还是要给钱的。
 
还有,得益于政府的大量资助,所有老幼在出行时每次都只要花2港元即可。在公立医院,每次看病的花销只要100港元。不像新加坡,香港人在医疗或手术支出方面不用支付商品及服务税。



Apa Ini:
June 19, 2012 at 7:21 pm  Apa Ini(Quote)
In HK, the chief Donald Tsang can be investigated for corruption by ICAC. Try it! Investigate our LEEders in Singapore? Our CPIB just turn blind eyes because CPIB is under the PM office. A real sick joke right? This imply that all others can be investigated except the LEEs.
 
在香港,曾荫权可以因为贪腐问题被廉政公署调查。你在我们新加坡敢调查李氏高管试试?我们的贪污调查局就跟瞎了一样,就因为这个调查局在PM(?)官方之下受到管辖。一个恶心的玩笑不是么?简而言之就是除了李家,所有人都可以被调查。



Zombie:
June 20, 2012 at 12:00 am  Zombie(Quote)
Of course it is! They jailed NKF yong’s wife for 20yrs!
 
当然了!他们把国家肾脏基金会(?)的Richard勇的老婆关了20年大牢!



-------------译者:daisyhe17-------------
 
RDB:
June 20, 2012 at 7:49 am  RDB(Quote)
@henpecked: June 19, 2012 at 12:37 pm (Quote)
You bet, of course HK is better, at least the transport system is way better and efficient, the SAR is much more democratic in thinking, shame on Singapore, or rather our dated Govt.
 
打赌,显然是香港更好,至少交通网要好得多、高效得多,特别行政区在思想上要民主得多。新加坡真丢人,或者我们过时的政府真丢人。
SG has since 1985 been running on OMO = One Man Operated or more aptly “One Maniac OPERArated” after Dr. Goh Keng Swee & his wise OLD GUARDS left a certain one-legged idiot to become what a certain son he made PM one day declare that his apapa is “The founFING father of Sg” whore! Isn’t self praise international disgrace whore!
 
And so a hyper-inflated egoist from hyper-INFERIORITY Complex issue book after book to show cause of its LKYism wiseDOOM! NO? What manner of mind will brag at such level AND AS A “mentor” it said is a POSEition given to him by its son whom he made PM when ask by a report? Think those you in that GE2011 60.1% if you HAVEN’T YET realized these natural truths about human beings! As was Mao Zedong smart with his STOP AT ONE? And LKYism did better with “STOP AT 2″ with punitties for poorer citizen to stop produce. Isn’t LKYism ELITIST and NOT a beleiver that intelligence HAS OUTRIGHT and Little TO DO WITH a person’s poverty or lower educational level due to one’s parent’s poverty!
 
Isn’t LKYism itself A BRAINLESS character in itself!!!
 
新加坡自从1985年就开始实行OMO,就是一个人的管理,或者更恰当的“一个疯子的管理”。吴庆瑞博士和他聪明的老部下留下了个独腿傻瓜,这货是真儿子,当上总理后的某天宣布他爹为“新加坡国父”。自我拔高难道不是国际耻辱吗!(译:讽刺李光耀)
 
一堆极度自卑的复杂问题产生了这么一个极度膨胀的利己主义者,显示出了其李光耀主义的智慧。不是吗?什么样的脑子会在他当总理的儿子给了他“国家导师”的地位后还在在采访中如此吹嘘。想想这些吧,你们那这些在2011年大选中投那60.1%的票的人,如果你以前还没意识到这些人类的自然界真理的话。就像毛泽东很聪明地提出了他的只生一个一样,李光耀主义也非常聪明地提出了“只生两个”,通过惩罚贫穷公民来计划生育。

李光耀主义精英们不是智慧的信徒,从不致力于改变贫穷和由家长的贫穷所导致的低教育水平!李光耀主义本身就是个无脑主义!



Anti BS:
June 21, 2012 at 11:26 am  Anti BS(Quote)
HK is better because:
 
- Government not Bull Shit
- Newspapers not Bull Shit
- People smart and daring and if any of the above try to be Bull Shit, they will be kicked out sooner or later.
- Therefore, it follows that there is less Bull Shit around generally
 
Example: 500,000 people marched in 2003 on 1st July (return of HK to PRC), following year about 400,000 and within a few months Tung Chee Wah is out the door in spite of having very strong support and connections with PRC leadership.
 
Sinkies, can you do the same? Do you dare?
 
香港更好,因为:
——政府不是狗屎
——报纸不是狗屎
——人民很聪明也有胆气,如果他们的政府和媒体变成了狗屎,那他们早晚都会把它们赶出去。
——所以,那里普遍较少狗屎。
 
例:2003年七月一日(香港回归纪念日),有500,000人上街游行,第二年有400,000人,几个月后董建华就下台了,尽管他有着中国领导层强劲的支持。
新加坡人,你们能做同样的事吗?你们敢吗?


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